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maggoolee2525
medical school grad
Joined: 21 Dec 2015
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 Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:34 pm Post subject: KIP 900 SERIES |
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| APPARENTLY THE KIP 900 SERIES HAS THE SAME TECHNICAL PROBLEMS AND SOLUTIONS AS THE 800 SERIES ....OR KIP HAS PUT A LID ON TECHNICAL ISSUES FOR THE 900 SERIES .....HOLDING TECHS AT GUNPOINT!! |
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CHILLIN
doctor
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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| What sort of problems? |
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maggoolee2525
medical school grad
Joined: 21 Dec 2015
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:49 am Post subject: KIP 900 |
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| ITS NOT SO MUCH OF THE PROBLEMS OF THE KIP 900 BUT THE QUIETNESS FROM FELLOW FORUM MEMBERS ....WITH REGARDS TO THE KIP 900....THAT WOULD INTERPRET AS NO ONE HAVING ANY ISSUES.....FROM THE KIP 900.... |
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maggoolee2525
medical school grad
Joined: 21 Dec 2015
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:54 am Post subject: KIP 900 |
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| ARLENE U POSTED SOMETHING ON THE KIP900 WAY BACK OCT.2018....WITH NO REPLIES....I REST MY CASE |
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jedi4342
medical school grad
Joined: 27 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, but some of us got away from the KIP color just to stay away from all the problems. PageWide is much better ( for line drawing )then the KIPs. Why put up with all the headaches that come with KIP. |
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maggoolee2525
medical school grad
Joined: 21 Dec 2015
Posts: 85
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2020 8:42 pm Post subject: KIP 900 |
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IT WOULD SEEM THAT WAY FOR U 'JEDI 'BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER FOR ALL OF YOU OUT THERE IS THAT UNTIL U HAVE SEEN AN ACTUAL PRINT FROM THE PAGEWIDE (LINE OR OTHERWISE) AGAINST THE KIP .....U WOULD KNOW YOUR MONEY IS ON THE KIP......AS THE THE SO CALLED PROBLEMS THAT COME WITH THE KIP ITS YOUR POOR KNOWLEDGE OF IT THAT DRIVES YOU AWAY FROM THE FACTS .....WATER RESISTANT, FADE RESISTANT, SPEED,CHOICE OF SUBSTRATE ,AND A BUNCH OF TECHS DEDICATED TO IT...THATS THE REASON WERE ON THIS FORUM.....LETS FACE IT PAGEWIDES HAVE EQUALLY THE AMOUNT OF PROBLEMS WHEN IT COMES TO AGE.....AND THE THE ONE TABOO IT HAS IS 'BANDING WHEN U LEAST EXPECT IT ON A BULK RUN'........SO NO MACHINE IS WITHOUT ITS PROBLEMS......
ONLY TRUST THOSE THAT DELIVER...KIP...WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE...!!
MY MONEY IS STILL AFTER 25 YEARS OF SEEING AND OWNING THEM ALL....ITS KIP...AND KIP FOREVER!! |
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jedi4342
medical school grad
Joined: 27 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Speed, are you kidding me. When we had KIPs it would take sometimes an hour or longer to start printing. Th PageWide is finished way before the KIP even gets started. KIP is a piece of junk compared to the PageWide. KIP is forever breaking down. Always having drum or fuser issues and I can keep going. There is only 1 thing KIP does that I like, and that it is water resistant. And yes you do have to have a bunch of techs that are DEDICATED to it. Because they break down all the time. KIP is a big JOKE. We have had both the KIPs and PageWide and the PageWide runs a lot longer with no e=service then the KIP ever thought of. At least twice a month I had to work on the KIPs. I hardly ever work on our PageWide. And our PageWides have well over 5 million sq. ft. a piece. Very few calls and hardly any parts. So like I said KIP is a JOKE |
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CHILLIN
doctor
Joined: 05 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Out of curiosity what Pagewide are u running and what KIP did u run?
Who serviced both? |
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CHILLIN
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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Out of curiosity what Pagewide are u running and what KIP did u run?
Who serviced both? |
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maggoolee2525
medical school grad
Joined: 21 Dec 2015
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:46 pm Post subject: KIP 900 |
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| Pagewide xl4500 (maintained by HP techs) and KIPs 870 ,7170 as well as the 770M transiting from oce tds 400,tds600 and 750 ...why what difference would that make...... |
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maggoolee2525
medical school grad
Joined: 21 Dec 2015
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:54 pm Post subject: KIP 900 |
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JEDI ...my decision to pickup a Pagewide XL did not go to vain ......judging from what u had to say....soon i'll be maintaining it myself ...and i look forward to be on the Pagewide forum....but for now i leave it to HP
so i have the best of both ....thks for waking up the forum here |
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CHILLIN
doctor
Joined: 05 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Makes a big difference who services your machines.
The argument which is better HP or KIP is the same as which is better Ford or Chevy. They both are good but only as good as the person who services them.
The KIP 870 and the 7170 are both strong reliable machines. They like all printers need to be serviced from time to time by people who know what they are doing. Is it possible you just didn’t have a good service company? |
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jedi4342
medical school grad
Joined: 27 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:30 am Post subject: |
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| We ran Kip 8000's and 9900's in our shop. Serviced other customers 3000's 5000's 7100's, 7900's, 7170's, 7970's. The 71xx series were not as bad. Was KIP certified on the mono machines. Trained on HP DesignJets and now certified HP trained PageWide. We run the PageWide 8000"s here, but service them all. From what I have seen so far is, that the PageWide uses more ink and less parts then the KIP. You run 50 prints on an KIP and the quality drops off. You run 200 on a PageWide and the 1st one looks as good as the last one. Now graphics suck on a PageWide I will say. But that is not the customers we sell it to. Times have changed a lot since the Xerox 2510 days. And sooooo glad blueline machines are dead. Don't miss them at all. |
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jedi4342
medical school grad
Joined: 27 Aug 2014
Posts: 64
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| By the way Chevy. I have a Chevy truck that has 280,000 miles with only very minor work done to it. At 270,000 I finally replaced the alt. Mostly tires, brakes and oil changes. Belt every 130,000 miles. It has done better then any Ford I every owned, for that matter any Chevy that I owned too. |
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maggoolee2525
medical school grad
Joined: 21 Dec 2015
Posts: 85
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:55 pm Post subject: System K on 870 |
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my worst fears have come to light.....just as i was flambasting over the KIP ....it hangs on the bootup with the small SYSK KIP logo and a wheel going round and round asking to wait ...35 minutes later its still the same
HAD FEW HUNDRED PRINTS DONE ON IT OVERNIGHT AND SHUT DOWN AS NORMAL....WHAT TRIGGERS THIS AND HOW CAN I OVERCOME THIS........
I HAVE THE RESTORE DISK BUT I BELIEF THIS IS THE LAST RESORT AS THE PAINSTAKINGLY PROFILES WE SAVED WILL BE WIPED OUT...CAN SOME ONE GUIDE ME ON THIS......
jEDI...IM INCLINED TO BELIEF THAT WHAT U BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG IS COMING TO LIGHT....PLS HELP!!!
...WHO AM I TO JUDGE OTHERS...... |
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