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[TONER PRICE]

There is a dealer that supplies several non-kip companies toner at bulk pricing that most dealers cant get!

Which as a result now there are several guys that are eating up on any sales and these guys sell everywhere!!!

Kip says 45% is the max on bulk toner and 50% for non-resellers!

This is BS, That Guys trying to make a living get Screwed each and everyway !

Something has to give and Something will give, As I post We are in contact with several dealers that compete in the immediate area of this Guy and we will be organizing to drop the Bottom out of Sales and Service in his designated area!!!

[KIP Phd]

Ranting such as these have no place here. The copier business is very competitive. This is America, not Japan, where collusion is almost a way of life. Here, collusion is illegal."People trying to make a living", does that group include some, but not others? Who decides who gets to "make a living" and who does not.

Have you checked e-bay lately? I have seen several dealers on there selling toner, parts even machines. Some are even power sellers. Some change their name on e-bay after customers bitch about them. One even has an e-bay store!

KIP toner, along with Oce, Ricoh, Xerox, Konica, Canon, Minolta, Sharp, and everything else is bought and sold on the "gray market" which imports the stuff in container loads. These guys get prices nobody can touch cause they buy GIANT CONTAINERS of all types of toner for CASH. KIP is something they have simply added to their shopping cart. This "gray market" exists in nearly every business.

As for the KIP Toner market specifically, I fear the worst is yet to come.
How long do you think before there is generic 3000 & 6000 toner?

If you want to know the future of WF, look at history of copiers. KIP set these events into motion when they began approaching copier companies for their marketing and service abilities years ago. Remember folks, it's just a big copier.

If you want to "band together" and lose money, that is your business. Has the dealer you refer to refused to sell to you? If he has, then by all means go to "war" if you must. Have you approached him directly and aired your grievances and been rebuffed?

Emotions run hot in business today, the internet has taken a lot of the fun out of business. Insurance, toner, T.V.'s, Cars, all victims of more efficient information distribution. Look at HP, KIP going the same way.

[REPRODOGGIE]

Once upon a time in the office copier business the "Toner Pirate" first appeared on the horizon. They would telemarket the crap out of your customer base simply by using the phone book since everyone had a copier. Margins shrank, dealers complained, prices fell, it was a dark time.

One day, a young prince in a very very small copier kingdom figured out that the way to make people buy something they could get everywhere, was to include it in with something they could not get everywhere.

The young prince presented this idea to his King, and thus was born the service contract including toner that every copier company uses today.

The Evil Toner Pirates were consigned to a small corner of the Internet.

The moral of the story, if you leave the hen house unguarded, any old fox can come in. Strap those hens to your guard dog, the fox will look elsewhere.

The End

[Devil in the pale moonlig]

Have YOU ever Danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

Well if not not, get your ass to fred astaire and learn how too!!!!

[Paper Tiger]

Dear Toner Price,

The "dealer" you are looking for is none other than KIP themselves. I have just learned that one of my toner customers has been getting 3820 toner bundled with paper from Deitzgen, with the toner dropped shipped from KIP AMERICA, Novi, MI.

Customer told me he did not understand because KIP billed him for the toner and Deitzgen also billed him for the same shipment of toner.

KIP+Deitzgen=dealer screwed once again.